Green Party in 2020 is terrible; not one but 1 Dealbreakers:
RussiaGater pro-Syria-War flip-flopper Howie
Hawkins; progressive Ron Placone can't get straight answers from
him; some on-target comments youtube viewers
Note from creator of LesserEvil2020.com:
I voted Green Party (or Independent when Ralph Nader ran as
Indep)
In 1992, 1996, 2000, 2004, 2012, and 2016
(Voted Obama-Biden in 2008, largely to not have McCain give us GWB-part-3,
risk WW3)
Here's why in 2020 we're NOT voting Green Party:
(1)
Hawkins also extremely dishonest by claiming that RussiaGate is defined as the view that "whatever the Russians, uhm, may have done, that we should escalate the cold war" nope, it's the lie that FB and twitter ads by Russian click-farm businesses and whatever else --not to mention what 100% of countries do in 100% of elections in terms of their own state media spin -- both NPR/PBS and RT etc -- the claim that our election was stolen, rigged, hacked, etc, by Russia, that **lie** is Russiagate.
And RussiaGate is a fascistic lie -- because it's in mutually advantageous alliance promoting interests of, that is, in bed with (a)More government censorship in the US(and at best question-raising control of our voting systems by Homeland Security etc), in bed with (b)The Deep State RegimeChangers (who hate Russia because it resister our pro-terrorist regime change efforts in Syria, Ukraine) in bed with (c)Bashing the progressive left, of course (d)in bed with brushing under the rug, the cheating of Bernie, Donna B giving HRC questions in advance, voters taken off rolls etc (e)in bed with the CIA/NSA/FBI complex -- to name just five huge broad multi-reasons-each, reasons for why it's fascistic -- and embraced by DNC of course, but also some shallow opportunities no-principle leftists.
(2)
I haven't delved fully but apparently Howie is (or was, with this flip-flip slick answers) for regime war in Syria:
including:
Do NOT vote for imperialist Howie Hawkins
[...]My suspicions about Hawkins were reconfirmed a year ago when I attended a
Green Party Power National Call on which Howie Hawkins was a featured
guest talking about his recent campaign for Mayor of Syracuse, NY.
(Green Party Power is an organization of GPUS members who consider
themselves to be more radical and independent from the Dems than some
other GPUS members might be - and to a large extent Green Party Power
lives up to this except that the inclusion of Hawkins is problematic). I
was aware that the ISO (the notoriously imperialist so-called
International Socialist Organization) was involved in Hawkins’ campaign
for governor. So during the questions period of the Green Party Power
National Call, I raised concerns about the ISO’s involvement with
Howie’s campaign. I said that we should be careful about working with
imperialist organizations, specifically including the ISO who support
the wars on Libya and Syria. Howie Hawkins responded to my comment by
ranting against the Syrian government and against the DPRK (North
Korean) government, both of which are socialist governments that are the
targets of U.S. imperialist warfare, but Howie Hawkins wants to
overthrow them.
(3)
though
even Howie wasn't pro-regime-war enough
for the World Socialist Organization because
of Howie's "crime" of a having a joint
even with Jimmy Dore (who rightly calls out pro-regime-change lies
about Syria chem attacks etc)
per
So
the wsws website in [3] says the same about
International Socialist Organization as the Facebook post [2]
says -- the ISO loved the Libya —
and Syrian regime change wars —
as if that was liberation -- ISO had the
gall to call it "islamophobic" to not support the terrorist
jihadists too -- no wonder other "left" groups like Z Magazine
that I've avoided for years, I saw a few months ago their posts and writers dabble in the same
vile toxic faux "avant garde/look how radical I am" that is pro-mass-slaughter.
Background:
[4]https://popularresistance.org/the-hidden-history-of-the-syrian-civil-war/
]
Unimpressive hand-waving answers by Howie Hakins to Ron Placone's 4/4/2020 show:
See some comments I agree with -- admittedly thusly selected -- but notice there being a large number of them:
(4) last but important:
Comments from that video--Notice **warning** from someone who knows what happened to the German "Green" party, at bottom:
Love the show Ron but Howie is a waste of time
Thanks Ron for your excellent job. He is not Honest in his explanation. We all miss Jill Stein.
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I guess if I don't eat and stay up until 3am I'll change all my opinions. [Howie used that as the excuse for (some) of his earlier comments -ED]
Hawkins was RussiaGating like Bernie et al. Just be honest and say "I was trying to curry favor with the Establishment MSM and it didn't work." If this liar is the Green Party Presidential candidate, I'm done with the Green Party.
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Isn't
he dipping? He looks like he has a wad in his cheek. What kind of
politician will dip?
I just wanted to say the same thing.
"He is almost like the German Greens, who are btw. controlled via the Heinrich-Boell foundation in Washington, simular like NED or the Republican organisations, an old boys network, paid for by billionaires. At the start it sounds all nice, but here he talks about "GRU does what they do". Well, if you want to accuse them, you better got something substantial. If you want to negotiate, you better got something real. That is important, because otherwise, if it is "I heard x" or "inofficial official sources say Y" you are f*d and play their game and with this rumours and straightout lies, you only create worse confrontation."
[...]
"and I doubt, that he means any of what he says in some way serious nor that he has any power to change anything he says, he wants to change. The Greens in Germany were btw. pacifists at the start and really powerful civil movements, until they became establishment and the career politicians and moles from the security state took over. The big break was, when they voted for the war in Yugoslavia based on horrendous lies by Joschka Fischer. Now they are pro-NATO and the Greens from the EU parliament were major supporters of the CIA/NATO coup in Ukraine together with i.e. the Clintons and Bidens. Today they are more like some weird Neocons, kind of some old Neocons, who were formerly Marxist.
They are members in transatlantic thinktanks like in the board of the EU section of the CFR or basically all of young Green politicians in Germany, who are specialized in foreign politics, got their training in US thinktanks. They are basically foreign influence agents. They are very dishonest and just another party, which is in really the opposite of what they promise - like all other big powerful parties, they are totally corrupt. Most think they aren't, but they fool themselves. The US Greens are with less than 1 % of the popular vote pretty powerless. If they are not able NOW to speak truth to power, then they never will be."[powerful point -ED]
The GRU didn't
creat ISIS and Al-Qaeda and they never employed Nazis and death squads. This Hawking guy is an idiot.
I really miss Jill Stein.
P.S.: this "Green Party stinks" email a few hours
ago -- I read more from FB post -- it gets worse -- these Socialist
international folks think Ajamu Baraka is, or in fact called for former VP candidate who ran with Jill Stein, called Ajamu Baraka, an "Assadist" for opposing the US/CIA backing of Al Qaeda's Syrian affiliate, and other jihadist terrorists trying to overthrow the Syrian government while also mass-murdering Christians, or force converting etc etc -- or beheading a boy on video they admitted they did it -- all that horror --
and when confronted that this was said at ISO that he, Howie Hawkins
sponsored, he just attacked the anti-war, anti-regime change side.
If you still want to vote Green Party in 2020, while we think it could
be terribly damaging in the long run for those "lines to be crossed"
of Green Party moving towards even partial pro-regime-change or even
partial go-along-with-DNC-McCarthyist RussiaGate hysteria and lies --
it's in the short term not as destructive as voting for Biden/Harris,
so on that level we can agree to disagree. Just wanted to share
why for the first time in decades, am not voting for anyone in the
Presidential election -- might write-in "Bernie was Cheated Again"
(one can disagree with the pro-DNC directions Bernie has gone in since
2016 without diminishing the outrageously biased and corrupt processes).
